I keep receiving messages from sourceforge.net and have the Rules set to
automatically delete them.  The Rule only seems to work when I run that rule
manually.

I realize this information is quite generic but was wondering if there is
general advice for me to follow first.  I'm not new to computers nor to
Outlook and I'm at a loss to understand why Rules is not working as I would
expect it to.

Thanks, Dave

Dave Horne, you  wrote on Sun, 10 May 2009 18:05:18 +0200:

http://www.msoutlook.info/question/133

Dave Horne wrote:

When you run the rules manually, are you running ALL of them or just the
one rule that applies against the unwanted e-mail?  If you are running
just one rule manually then it is likely that a prior rule in the list
is preventing the wanted rule from getting reached.  That is, some prior
rule (with a stop-clause) is triggering first and prevents getting to
the later rule that you want exercised against the unwanted e-mail.

Enable ALL rules when running them manually and see if your particular
rule still gets exercised against the unwanted e-mail.  If not, start
looking at the logic or flow through the rules prior to the one you want
to trigger.

Show quote Hide quote I tried all the suggestions given but still have the same problem.  I
deleted _all_ the rules and everythign related to them and then just added
one rule.  That rule only works when I apply it manually.

Is there a file I can delete that contains all the 'rules' so I can start
from scratch?  This 'problem' isn't a big deal but I am at a loss to
understand why Rules is not worling as it should.

Thanks, Dave Horne

No file, but you can start Outlook once with the /cleanrules command switch to
clear out all rules.

Brian, thanks.  I ran that switch, closed Outlook, restarted it with no
switches and then added one rule.

The 'Review Rule Description' is as follows:

Apply this rule after the message arrives
from daveho***@users.sourceforge.net
delete it

I won't know if this works until I receive yet another piece of unwanted
mail from sourceforge.net.

I'll be back to report whether this rule worked or not.  Thanks again, Dave
Horne

My problem still exists.  Rules does not delete e-mail automatically though
it does work if I use it manually.

I am still open to suggestions.  Thanks,  Dave Horne

Try using the condition "with specific words in the sender's address" and make
those specific words "sourceforge.net", instead of the "from people or
distribution list" condition.  If you have more than one rule, also add the
"stop proccessing more rules" action.

Show quote Hide quote Brian, I've tried what you suggested and the only way to get Rules to work
is if I invoke Rules manually.

Is it possible (and I'll enclose the message routing if you wish) that what
I see as 'From' and 'To' is not what Rules sees?

Thanks, Dave Horne

It's very possible.  That's why I saoid to use the condition I mentioned
rather than the "from people or distribution list" condition.  If the "with
specific words in the sender's address" doesn't work, then try "with specific
words in the message header".

Show quote Hide quote Brian, I've already tried that and the same thing happens - Rules only work
manually, not automatically.

I've also Googled this general problem and see that there are others with
the same problem.  I am still open to suggestions.

Thanks, Dave Horne

Does the behavior change if run in Outlook's safe mode?

__________________________________



Brian, first, thanks again for your patience with this.

I started Outlook 2007 in Safemode (using Outlook Tools 2.2) and choosing
the topmost 'safe' startup switch.  (Starts Outlook without Microsoft
Exchange Server Client Extensions (ECE), the Reading Pane, or toolbar
customizations. Component Object Model (COM) add-ins are turned off.)

Again, Rules would only delete the message if I invoked Rules manually; it
doesn't delete the message in question automatically.

I will include the message routing in question below.  Also, the rule for
this message which only works manually is:

Apply this rule after the message arrives
with sourceforge.net in the message header
delete it

__________________________________



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Is this your only rule?

Show quote Hide quote Yes.

I'm stumped.  Sorry.

I am also stumped.  Thanks for your suggestions just the same.

Dave  Horne

Brian, I just got back from a short vacation and see _now_ that Rules (re
sourceforge.net) is in fact working.  I did a little google research re this
problem and it seems (at least in my case) that the added step of clicking
on the top most option - Sent to People or Distribution list did the trick
(including myself, of course).   Just clicking on 'specific words' in the
subject, body, etc. didn\t work; it seems that I first had to include
'myself' in the list of conditions.

Problem solved .... and I thank you for your input.

All the best, Dave Horne

.... a correction to my previous post.  The 'Sent To' option is not the
topmost option when creating a new rule from scratch.  I looked at the now
successful sourceforge.net rule and saw the 'Sent to' option as the topmost.

At any rate, adding myself to the Rule did the trick as I wrote in my
previous post.  DH

I'm glad it's working, although it should have worked before without adding
yourself as the recipient.

Thanks ... in my haste to post I neglected to add that the 'recipient' was
not my regular e-mail address but the one given to me from this spammer -
daveho***@user.sourceforge.net ... or something like that.  I created that
new entry for myself in order to get Rules to work.

All the best, DH

I had the same problem.  I do believe it is a Microsoft "BUG".  Sometimes my
rules work and sometimes they don't.  Often, I had to run manually.  All in
all, the rules I set worked just fine when run manually.  Even after
performing all the tips and tricks from MVP Outlook professionals, I still
had the same problem !!!! Here is my solution that WORKED for me as my rules
NOW run automatically with my VBA scripts.

a) Click Tools, Macro, Visual Basic Editor.
b) In the project explorer to the left, expand Microsoft Office Outlook
Objects
c) Double Click "ThisOutlookSession"
d) Copy and past the following code

Private Sub Application_Startup()
    MsgBox "Welcome, " & Application.GetNamespace("MAPI").CurrentUser
    Application.ActiveExplorer.WindowState = olMaximized
End Sub

e) Save the Visual Basic Program.
f) Close.
g) Done.

I know this doesn't make sense, but I think that the VBA macro library is
NOT loading properly at the start of Microsoft Outlook.  I think the startup
event forces the loading of the VBA scripts properly.  I don't think it
matters what code you place just as long as it is something to properly start
the VBA macros.

Anyway, again, I know that the above doesn't make any sense but it WORKED
for me.  All the other LOGICAL solutions by the MVP professionals and other
users simply just did not work, which those other solutions should have
worked.  Therefore, this leads me to believe that there is a BUG is the
Outlook product.

Again, it worked for me and I am NOW happy and I have stopped wasting hours
looking for a solution.

If this SOLUTION worked for you, please let me know.  If this solution works
for you, please make a post so that Microsoft will know where to look for
this goofy bug in the Outlook product.

I hope this works for you as I spent over 200 hours trying to fix this same
problem.

John R. Hamilton



Show quoteHide quote

I had the same problem.  I do believe it is a Microsoft "BUG".  Sometimes my
rules work and sometimes they don't.  Often, I had to run manually.  All in
all, the rules I set worked just fine when run manually.  Even after
performing all the tips and tricks from MVP Outlook professionals, I still
had the same problem !!!! Here is my solution that WORKED for me as my rules
NOW run automatically with my VBA scripts.

a) Click Tools, Macro, Visual Basic Editor.
b) In the project explorer to the left, expand Microsoft Office Outlook
Objects
c) Double Click "ThisOutlookSession"
d) Copy and past the following code

Private Sub Application_Startup()
    MsgBox "Welcome, " & Application.GetNamespace("MAPI").CurrentUser
    Application.ActiveExplorer.WindowState = olMaximized
End Sub

e) Save the Visual Basic Program.
f) Close.
g) Done.

I know this doesn't make sense, but I think that the VBA macro library is
NOT loading properly at the start of Microsoft Outlook.  I think the startup
event forces the loading of the VBA scripts properly.  I don't think it
matters what code you place just as long as it is something to properly start
the VBA macros.

Anyway, again, I know that the above doesn't make any sense but it WORKED
for me.  All the other LOGICAL solutions by the MVP professionals and other
users simply just did not work, which those other solutions should have
worked.  Therefore, this leads me to believe that there is a BUG is the
Outlook product.

Again, it worked for me and I am NOW happy and I have stopped wasting hours
looking for a solution.

If this SOLUTION worked for you, please let me know.  If this solution works
for you, please make a post so that Microsoft will know where to look for
this goofy bug in the Outlook product.

I hope this works for you as I spent over 200 hours trying to fix this same
problem.

John R. Hamilton



Show quoteHide quote

sI have the same problem.  It is just a Outlook 2007 issue for me. MS has
many problem with Office 2007.  I doubt it will be fixed.  I went back to
Office 2003 and problem solved. 

Show quoteHide quote

I began having this same problem about a week ago.  My rules (1 rule) worked
automatically... now I have to run it manually.  I've tried adjusting the
settings... but nothing works.  It's a simple rule "move incoming messages
with "[SPAM]" to Junk Mail folder."  I also recently installed SP2... I
wonder if that has something to do with it?

Show quoteHide quote

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Importing .pst file - file cannot be found!
hunapp, scanpst found no errors
*123* changes to 123 with botd fonts
Messages echo back to me
Moving REMINDERS to a new computer
Emails Not Sent When Offline in Outlook 2007
Risk free internet for your child
"Can't copy the items. You don't have permission ..."
Problems with address book